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Well Hello, everyone. Hello, and
a very, very warm welcome to

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Thank you so much for joining us
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Singing Dragon 15th birthday
event. It's absolutely wonderful

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to have you with us here today.

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I'm so delighted to welcome you
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event. I said Singing Dragon is
15 years old. And to mark this

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wonderful, wonderful momentous
occasion. We've programmed in a

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series of one hour discussion
events, when you will get to

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meet some of our fantastic
authors. And to find out more

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about their areas of expertise,
we really hope that these events

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will help to inform your
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health modalities, and to
discover how they can not only

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profoundly change the lives of
our patients, but how big of a

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major impact on transforming the
communities in which we live. We

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hope that after today's event,
you'll come away learning more

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about yourself the vital role
that you have in the therapeutic

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process, and also with some
eminently practical skills and

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tips that you can immediately
enrich your practice with. We

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also hope that today's event
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disciplinary conversations. And
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wonderful opportunity for us to
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already in the chat box. I'm
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people here who come with so
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So hello to Padma from Oxford,
who is an acupuncturist and a

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yoga teacher. We have Kate
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Shiatsu practitioner and a
licenced therapist. And dorina

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pattern is an acupuncturist and
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women's health physiotherapist
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reflex therapists. So we've got
so many wonderful people in the

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room. And thank you so much for
joining us today.

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The main topics of today's
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safe, how yoga and acupuncture
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the vital importance of inner
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order to make the most of what
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would like to see two bits of
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the bottom of the screen. And
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today's today's presentation so
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can put down your notes, you can
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with prozesse. Now, on to some
introductions. My name is Kevin

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Durjan. And I'm an acupuncture
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London. I'm also a broadcaster
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present the weekly show
acupuncture for them. Now it's

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my goal today to facilitate the
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guests. And to ensure that you
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my wonderful colleague Suzanne
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Please do submit your questions
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really get the discussion
moving, programmed in plenty of

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time for your questions at the
end of today's seminar that a

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celebration starts now at 4pm
Eastern Time 9pm 8pm UK time and

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it will end in one hour's time.
So without further ado, let us

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meet with our fantastic guests
today. Dr. Gail Parker is an

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author, psychologist, educator,
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yoga therapist. She is the
author of restorative yoga for

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ethnic and race based stress and
trauma and the forthcoming book,

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ethnic transforming ethnic and
race based traumatic stress with

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yoga. Now Dr. Gail Parker's
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emotional balance and wellbeing
for those directly and

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indirectly impact by ethnic and
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also to offer tools that aid in
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experiences and in trauma
recovery. A very warm welcome

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Dr. Gail Parker, thank you for
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Well, I'm just absolutely
absolutely thrilled. Thank you.

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I would now like to welcome our
next guest, Lorie Dechar. Lorie

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Dechar is an alchemical healer,
a mentor, a dream tender, a

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poetic scholar and an artist

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With over 30 years of practice
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medicine. She's the author of
Kigo. One of my favourite books

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by the way, exploring the
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points through the changing
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work, a guide for turning
illness and suffering, in true

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health and well being.

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Five spirits out cap acupuncture
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healing. One current focus of
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concept of the poet's soul. And
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provides to healing ancestral
trauma. A very warm welcome,

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Lorie Dechar. Thank you so much,
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with you and, and Gail. And
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I must say to everybody who is
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our wonderful participants, your
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because these women are masters
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what we're going to discuss
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relevant. So let's kick off our
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like to first start quite broad
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trauma from your, from your
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start with you. And Gail, could
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between race based stress and
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because most of us working in
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understand a little bit on some
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Traumatic Stress Disorder. But a
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stress is based on racial stress
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particularly important time
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interesting because
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pandemics, xenophobia and racism
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seeing that and we're living
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problem. This is not just a
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wherever you happen to be. And
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share with people that that race
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real. And I'll talk I'll tell
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different from PTSD. And also
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fact that this is a thing that
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Race-based traumatic stress
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it is not considered a
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treat it as if it's a disorder
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with you for having the
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traumatises someone who is
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trauma, race based traumatic
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it's caused by an external
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happened to you, that is race
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emotional pain that has caused
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happens to be something that
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particularly black people
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ongoing, cumulative, recurrent
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that happens. It's based on
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human beings, as we know, is one
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painful experiences that we can
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connection, not for
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put to the margins, when you are
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when you are minimised when
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is an extremely emotionally
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And over time, it can become
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but it doesn't start there. So
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is a psychiatric disorder. It is
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the definition. This is the
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giving you. It's based on
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that the person has not been
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so they continue having this
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the trauma, because it isn't
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internalised. And alkalized in a
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stress disorder is a life
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stressor in race based traumatic
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that's based on a racial
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what that is the person who's
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up to us to decide, well, that
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was listening to actually
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on the book that I have written
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began to talk and she said, I
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my students, a large, a tall,
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teacher swipe this kid was
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And so she took them outside to
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one one of the security guards
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said to her, are you okay? And
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See, that's what I've been
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words, he felt the the insult,
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insult. She said that she felt
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mistake by explaining demo was
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because you're black. And she
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that that, that she had made a
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Because what she said is, I will
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more? So I keep talking

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about actually, actually,

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as as you were talking, Gail,
Lorie was feeling it. So I'd now

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like to come to Lorie. How does
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how, how does watch she's just
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your understanding and the
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Oh, well, first of all, I just
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Parker has said, I'm just
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breakdown and distinctions is so
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read some of the cases from your
book, Gail, but this particular

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story I had never heard you
share. And um, so it's just

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incredibly moving, really moving
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learn, you know, that we all can
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person to say, yeah, we are
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know, we we can't know what it's
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white skin. You know, being
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of trauma. But again, at this
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skin. And so we can't know, we
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we're making a mistake, to learn
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beautiful story. And thank you
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taking it back to my work, which
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trauma, healing from trauma,
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and sort of emotional,
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of trauma. So it's not
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ethnic based trauma. I want to
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coming out of Gail's book, but
where you once again makes such

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a great clarification, race
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trauma, the differences not
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you know, that's so helpful to
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in race based trauma, you're
living in a context of, you

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know, having to move through
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the traumas and the
microaggressions are nor, you

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know, are considered normal by
white culture. So, like you

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said, to begin to say, No, I'm
not crazy the culture is, is

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needs to change. But staying
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difference is not one of
physiology, but of context. What

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I want to say is through my
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what I have discovered is that
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physicians 3000 years ago, maybe
even more, I would say if we

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looked at some of the classics,
we can say we're going back even

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more possibly than 3000 years,
we're already seeing the effects

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of trauma. So, and they
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the medicine, Kevin, that you
and I practice, and many people

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in the audience practice Chinese
medicine. But again, it's a

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filter, we're looking at the
same neurological,

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physiological, and endocrine
changes, our organisms have not,

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you know, on that level
fundamentally changed. So what

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the Chinese saw, and I think
it's, again, they were looking

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through the lens of their own
consciousness, which is what we

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could call a mythical magical
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medicine, that, at first may
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actually Western, I always say
Western medicine and Western

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science is now catching up with
Chinese medicine. And I'll

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mention that later when we look
at the field of epigenetics but

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backing up so the Chinese what
they saw was that when a person

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experienced that kind of an
digestible, external event,

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either whether it's an invasion
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family member, a tremendous
climactic events, cultural

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upheavals, there's all sorts of
ways that our organisms are

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subjected to events that we
can't, we just can't metabolise

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too much to bear, it's outside,
the norm of my experience, or

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what my body knows should be,
for example, a family member who

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should be protective, who rather
is abusive or invasive, we can't

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metabolise that we're not meant
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So, our organisms have created
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something with that. And in
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it dissociate, we put it aside.
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they'll say, well, it goes into
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Chinese said, is that, when we
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traumatic event, a part of me,
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spirit, a part of my spirit,
actually leaves it's, it's meant

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to rest in my heart. But when I
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us have experienced some kind of
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it's like a shock to your heart,
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actually in our medicine,
leaving the arm, a spark of our

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spirit, called the Shen spirit,
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stars where it's safe. And
another part of us which they

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call the post saw, which is, as
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big areas of interest now, which
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the memory takes the material,
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below the level of conscious
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psychology we say goes into the
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mean goes into the body, it goes
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the brain and nervous system,
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brain, the limbic limbic system,
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goes to the posts of this body
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kind of encrusted or put it down
under the earth. Meanwhile, the

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Shen spirits are light spirit
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see a kind of often a kind of
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state, people have a hard time
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these aspects of the soul from a
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will kind of hold that
configuration which takes a

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large toll on the body on our
essences. You know, it's not,

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it's not the holding pattern
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but it allows us to survive
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whether it's in a therapeutic
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Dr. Parker, this, I think that
this is a wonderful time for us

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to move on. But I would
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mention that if you would like
to feed it for questions, we do

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have questions and answers at
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please do and put them into the
Q&A box. And we will, we will

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draw into the discussion because
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into an integrated and an
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on from what you were saying,
Lorie Dechar let's now turn to

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Gail and find out what is it
about yoga, that makes it so

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effective at supporting
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with trauma?

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Well, yoga is it's it's, it's a
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transformative practice. So in
the West, it has become, at

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least in the United States, it
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It's a practice of physical
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much more than that. And when I
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was 15 years ago, I was not it
was not introduced as a form of

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physical exercise. It was a
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the physical body, to the energy
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body to the intuitive wisdom
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the bliss body is what the
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complete practice. And so that
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I never isolated the physical
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restorative Yoga is a very
specific, someone talk about

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restorative yoga, I think all
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be transformative. But all Yoga
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restorative Yoga is a very
specific form of yoga, that uses

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props to support the body in
holding postures for extended

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periods of time. It's done in
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although some people like to
play music, but it's, it's done

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in silence. It's done in in
stillness, and the entire

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practice, while it's being
supported by bolsters and

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blankets, and creating all just
comfort in the physical body. So

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there's no stretching, there's
no muscle energy being used at

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all, you're trying to reduce
stress. Not there's anything

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wrong with some amounts of
stress. But that's not what

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restorative Yoga is doing. So
it's stimulating the

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parasympathetic nervous system,
which is the part of our nervous

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system that allows us to rest
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our resting when people are
under chronic stress, which race

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based traumatic stress injury
can be a cry is tends to be a

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chronic stressor. Resting, does
not feel safe, when your nervous

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system is on high alert, whether
you know it or not, when it's on

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high alert, most of the time, it
doesn't feel comfortable to come

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to rest, it sounds like it
should. But when you are in

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fight flight mode, most of the
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not, that's your, that's your
comfort zone. That's where you

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feel safest. It's not healthy,
though. And that becomes

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problematic. And so these
restorative practices support

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people who are not used to
feeling comfortable in their own

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vulnerability, who are not used
to feel uncomfortable in and

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safe during rest, in getting the
wrist, the restoration, the

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growth, that they deserve, the
reparation and the good, the

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repair, and the growth they
deserve. So that's how this

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particular practice can support
individuals, the individuals

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make up the community. So when
we used to be practising

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together in studios, and now
we're practising together

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online, so the community it's a
different configuration of

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community. Community is not a
location, it's not a place it's

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it's a group of people who come
together with a common interest,

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who are supporting each other
in, in the in being healthy and

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achieving their goals and coming
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understanding and communion
connection with each other. So

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that's what the restorative
practice does. That's what it

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supports. And anybody can do it.
See you it's you don't have to

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To you, anyone can do it.
Anybody can do restorative yoga.

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One of the poses, for those of
you who may not know restorative

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Yoga is you, you lay on your
back, you put a lovely blanket

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roll under your knees, you put a
nice pillow under your head, you

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can support your arms by laying
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and you breathe, and you breathe
and you breathe, and you evoke

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the relaxation response. So let
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physiologically, the relaxation
response is a real thing. When

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it it takes about 20 minutes in
the practice for that to click

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in, your heart rate slows,
metabolism slows, brainwaves,

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slow, breath becomes more
efficient, and and there you

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are, there's there becomes
that's where the healing occurs.

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That was before us talking about
this community. I always believe

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that these virtual events, there
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something real about it, because
we're all pouring in our energy

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into the same focus. nodding
again, as Gail was talking, how

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does how does acupuncture
support an individual? And also

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how does acupuncture support
communities healing with trauma?

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Well, again, I mean, I'm just
taking in some of what Gail

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shared and I feel like, the key
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listening and just hearing about
that restorative pose, I start

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to feel my nervous system calm
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that's exactly where I had sort
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to create the conditions of
safety, showing up save, where

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the the Shen, this speck of
spirit can actually come back to

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the heart I often talk about the
Shen is these little birds, and

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the heart is their nest. And
when from or big emotions come,

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you know, the trees are shaking
in their storm winds, these

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little birds fly off, which they
do. So we're looking to create

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conditions of safety, conditions
of holding, where these birds

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can come back to their nest in
the heart. And where this

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material that has been held in
the pOH can be metabolised.

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lying down on the treatment
table, when you have good

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rapport with your practitioner
is the beginning of the healing

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process. I know myself went even
after 35 years of practice and

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being treated by many people,
when I lie down on the treatment

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table with a practitioner, I
trust, that same relaxation

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process already begins. Then in
addition, there are treatments

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we are not obviously going to go
into them here but there are

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treatments specifically aimed at
clearing trauma, even very deep

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trauma, through the various
meridians and organs where it's

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held. Again, people in the
audience may know some of these

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and then there's the use of
spirit points, which is a lot of

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what my book with singing dragon
is about. And I think of spirit

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point is like it's it's an open
gateway into the mysteries. It's

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this is the way many of these
points tell us use this point

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for trauma hearts seven Shen
men, what's the name telling us

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this is the gateway that the
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at the end, we'll give a couple
of points. But that, you know,

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again, this is in the book, it's
in Kigo. You can read about them

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and incorporate them even if
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you can use these points with
flower essences with oil simply

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with touch, and they will open
the gateways for these spirits

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to return. As far as community
work, I there are amazing

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community acupuncture clinics
doing incredible work in inner

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cities, in places there's
acupuncturist without borders,

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doing your acupuncture in all
over the world. That is one of

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the ways The Chinese medicine
can function in this work. But

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for me, I believe that a large
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the treatment room, but it also
happens in community. So

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actually, my husband, Benjamin
Fox, and I have started an

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online community called the
inner healing circle, add a new

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possibility.com, which we'd love
that everyone to check out. And

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it really is a virtual healing
community for practitioners and

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patients looking to do this
work. And we've got meetups and

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courses and amazing faculty. I
think one of our teachers,

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Lindsey Fauntleroy is with us
today. So shout out to Lindsey.

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And it's a growing vibrant
community of healing.

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Thank you, thank you. And again,
so needed at this time in the

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world evolution. Lorie, you
mentioned just then the concept

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of showing up safe now is
something that I would very much

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like to return to you, Dr. Gail
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means. And why it is important
for dealing with trauma to show

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up safe to their practices. So
showing up safe is not just

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important to dealing with
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important to being in connection
with human beings, your most

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intimate partner to a stranger
on the street. So what does that

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mean showing up safe, it means
that I, I, each individual

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within the community

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needs to cultivate an inner
awareness of their own calmness,

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their own sense of peacefulness,
their own sense of being a safe

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person to be around. In other
words, none of us wants to be

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the hot stove that nobody wants
to touch. And yet, we can beat

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that if we're not being mindful
if we're not paying attention.

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And so it for me, that's that is
a practice just showing up safe.

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It involves modulating your
voice for what well, I, you

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know, I don't want to do the
cosmetic stuff. But it does have

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to do with modulating your
voice, the way you the way you

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approach people, even your
physical appearance. just paying

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attention to how you the energy
that you're communicating, when

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you're in relationship to other
people is is the beginning of

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doing that. But you have to you
have to engage in inner

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practices to do that, you have
to be safe in other words, so if

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you go to Lorie, for example,
for an acupuncture treatment,

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and she is agitated and upset,
you will feel that if you've

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come to me for a
psychotherapeutic intervention,

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or even a yoga therapeutic
intervention, and I'm agitated,

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you will feel that, whether I'm
aware of it or not. And so each

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of us has a responsibility to
come to that place of inner

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peace and calm before we go out
into the world. Because our

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energy, we co regulate each
other's nervous systems, we just

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do. So if you're dealing with so
when people come to you for

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treatment, usually they're
anxious, I mean, people aren't

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usually coming in thrilled to be
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for us to be grounded, to be

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grounded in that sense of inner
peace, that sense of

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authenticity, a willingness on
our own to be vulnerable because

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we're asking you to be
vulnerable and this is how we

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begin to cultivate and build a
sense of trust and it's the

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nervous system that is
responding it doesn't it doesn't

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matter what I'm what sort of
matters what I'm saying you know

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what I mean that that that
matters, but what we're speaking

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to is the nervous system so from
my nervous system is bent out of

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shape then that's going to be
communicated to the individual

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that I'm approaching and so then
I'm not showing up safe so

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creating that you know, we hear
a lot about creating safe space.

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So we learn you know, I don't
you learn I guess how to do I

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don't know how I don't teach
that how to create a safe space.

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But yeah, you know, so I know
some people do. There are all

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these rules and regulations
about how to do that. If you

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aren't safe, if you are not
grounded and centred in your own

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sense of inner peace and safety
and calm and love, heart

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00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:20,200
centred. You're not safe, you
just start. So that's first use

442
00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:20,950
on me. Thank

443
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:26,740
you beautifully, beautifully put
beautifully put. Lorie, how does

444
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:31,090
this resonate with your, with
your understandings and your

445
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:36,460
philosophy on the importance of,
of, of doing inner work?

446
00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:45,280
Well, I think it's good that
Gail has is articulated so much

447
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,480
about that already. And again, I
just I love hearing you speak

448
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,760
kale, it's just so moving and
beautiful and true. And I'd love

449
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,600
what you said about well, I
don't, I don't exactly create

450
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,170
safe space, and you don't have
to because you are safe space,

451
00:36:02,170 --> 00:36:09,850
you be safe space. And that is
the work and how do we do? How

452
00:36:09,850 --> 00:36:14,980
do we become safe space. And,
and then through that becoming,

453
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:21,430
create that environment, that's
through the inner work. So

454
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:26,710
again, what Gail said about
we're transmitting Of course

455
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:32,440
content, what I say how I use
language, my care with the

456
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:38,980
language is part of the creation
of a safe environment. But even

457
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:42,370
beyond that is what's happening
at the level of the nervous

458
00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:49,840
system. So that is the post soul
again, the body soul, the body

459
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,420
soul is reading so much data
that the conscious mind couldn't

460
00:36:55,420 --> 00:37:02,290
possibly be taking in. So the
environment, the body language,

461
00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:09,730
my capacity to come to my own
calm through inner practice. And

462
00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:12,730
then also what's being
transmitted through the heart,

463
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:18,670
which again, is is a kind of
practice that agitation, Gail,

464
00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:22,420
that you spoke about, from a
Chinese perspective would be

465
00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:26,500
saying that the heart is filled
with emotion, it's filled with

466
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:31,210
agitated emotions, what happens
then, those little birds are

467
00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:34,870
like, well, there's no room for
me in the nest, there's no room

468
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:39,790
for the spirit, the light of the
Shen to actually guide what

469
00:37:39,790 --> 00:37:46,240
happens in the treatment room. I
need to have practices that I do

470
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,220
regularly, kind of housekeeping
practices, where I clear those

471
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:58,810
agitated emotions, where I have
ways to actually clear the heart

472
00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:03,460
space so that my spirit can
reside there. So I can create

473
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,320
the kind of environment and this
is both mythic symbolic, but

474
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,620
it's literal. And as I said, you
know, Western medicine's

475
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:14,920
catching up with Chinese
medicine now, because they, they

476
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,360
can now measure the oscillations
and vibrations of the heart,

477
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:25,510
that it's now known, we're
affecting each other. Definitely

478
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:30,430
18 inches, which is the mother
baby distance, measurable to

479
00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:34,540
five feet. But Kevin, you and I
are doing it right now. And

480
00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:37,630
Gail, you and I are doing it. As
I'm looking at your eyes through

481
00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:43,180
this screen. We're creating
these Shen currents that are

482
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:49,810
affecting our hearts and our
bodies right now. So that's,

483
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,930
that's my response to that
question it or work and of

484
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:57,820
course, our you know, lead in
line on our website, his inner

485
00:38:57,820 --> 00:39:02,620
work leads to outer change. This
work that we do with our own

486
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:07,270
nervous systems with our own
hearts, for me, is the first

487
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:09,730
step in making change on the
planet.

488
00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:13,020
Beautiful, beautiful,

489
00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:14,460
thank you say something.

490
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:17,580
Like, how did you come in?

491
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:25,770
Yes, you know, I am a fan of
Lorie. No, I just I just I love

492
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:28,830
listening to you, Lorie, I love
listening to you. And as I've

493
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:33,060
said to you before, if I were in
your if I lived near you, I

494
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:38,040
would come and be your client. I
wouldn't really it's sort of

495
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,270
that, you know, where you just
kind of, I don't know, you meet

496
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:50,070
and make this connection and and
you know it when, you know, how

497
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:54,300
do you know it's a felt sense?
It's a felt sense.

498
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,090
Yeah. Yes. You know, and that is
through the activation. That's

499
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:04,230
the basis of Yoga, it's the
basis of Chinese medicine. It's

500
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:09,090
the basis of all what I call the
alchemical practices. Yeah.

501
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,150
Now, we've got another five
minutes for our discussion

502
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:19,200
before we move on to our
questions and answers. So

503
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,660
everybody who is taking part and
engaging, we're all engaging in

504
00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:29,820
today's today's event, please do
use the Q&A box to feed in your

505
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:34,260
questions. And we will, we will
invite our wonderful, our

506
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:38,430
wonderful specialists, Lorie
Dechar and Dr. Gail Parker to to

507
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:43,200
answer those questions. Also, on
the subject of sharing, I would

508
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,500
like to say that our our the
wonderful Singing Dragon has

509
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:51,600
popped into the chat box, a link
to a digital goodie bag. And it

510
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:57,540
absolutely is brimming with
wonderful discounts and links

511
00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:03,810
and wonderful excerpts from from
the books of our expert experts

512
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:08,310
here today. So moving on, we've
got a couple more minutes. Let's

513
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:13,920
before we move on to our
questions. You mentioned earlier

514
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,570
on about laying your your
patient deported with blankets

515
00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:23,520
and helping them to relax. Could
you give us your favourite, your

516
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,030
favourite practical tips that
our our participants here can

517
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:27,960
take away with them?

518
00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:33,990
Yeah, as far as showing up
safest, I'll give showing up

519
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:41,910
safe. If, if that's acceptable.
So one of the things that I do,

520
00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:46,320
I'll share my practice with you
as what I'll do. So I'm very

521
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:53,580
intentional. And making sure
that I do no harm. Now, I'm sure

522
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:56,940
that I know see, nobody's
running a perfect game, nobody.

523
00:41:57,330 --> 00:42:01,860
So I'm sure that there are times
when I cause harm, not just I'm

524
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:04,170
not talking about patients, I'm
talking about the people in

525
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:09,210
general, I don't just do this in
my work. I am living what I'm

526
00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:12,480
talking about. So but I'm really
intentional about it. I'm

527
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,330
really, really intentional about
it and conscious of it. I'm very

528
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:20,730
mindful of the language that I
use, and the tone of voice that

529
00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:25,560
I speak and of showing up really
authentically and speaking the

530
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:33,060
truth. And one of the rules I
follow is is it necessary? Is it

531
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:38,070
truthful? Is it kind? And does
it improve on the silence, you

532
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:51,240
know what I mean? And so if it
meets all of that, then I am. So

533
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:51,630
this

534
00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:54,780
is what happens live events,
this is what happens.

535
00:42:55,380 --> 00:43:00,690
It's, it's a real thing. So and
finally, I would say I try I

536
00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:06,510
work, I remain grounded in
myself, I know who I am. And so

537
00:43:06,510 --> 00:43:10,470
I'm able to create really clear
boundary so that I'm not being

538
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:15,990
invasive. Lorie talked about
how, you know, when people trust

539
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:20,910
you, you you have a
responsibility to maintain your

540
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:25,020
sense of you so that you are
not, you know, invading their

541
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:31,020
space and, and and just invading
their space. So those are the

542
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:35,790
things that I do. I'm mindful,
I'm intentional. And I am I find

543
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:37,410
balance and then grounded.

544
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:44,880
Thank you go. Thank you. Now,
Lorie, let's come to you. Now if

545
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,700
I can ask you to to unmute. And
we've got a couple of minutes

546
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:53,880
because we want to leave 15
minutes for our wonderful

547
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,370
questions that are coming in. So
could you please give some

548
00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:03,210
practical tips for all of our
participants who are here today?

549
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:05,190
Well,

550
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,800
let's see in two minutes or
less, I'm going to just two

551
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,780
favourites to favourites. One is
what I call the pause practice.

552
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,840
I just did it after that
incoming phone call I had to do

553
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,440
the pause practice. So the pause
and I'm going to give the

554
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,630
acronym just so people can kind
of get it. I use the acronym

555
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:36,650
RSVP, the French répondez s'il
vous plait so how do we respond?

556
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:43,640
So the pause practice the R is
you recognise your trigger. The

557
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:48,650
S is you stop. In Chinese
medicine we say where you do buy

558
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:54,380
non to and you stop. The V is a
little cheat on the acronym. It

559
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:58,340
stands for reverse. So you
reverse awareness and you say

560
00:44:58,340 --> 00:45:04,010
how am I You know, how am I
doing you care about yourself.

561
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:12,530
And then P, you just get
present. So, recognise, stop,

562
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,260
reverse awareness, get present.
And through that pause, the

563
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:25,430
heart can speak. Okay, and so
that's one tool. Oh gosh, the

564
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:30,050
other one is to recognise that
sometimes there are what the

565
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:34,460
Chinese would call ghosts that
actually need to be tended from

566
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:38,540
our ancestry, that that's a real
thing. We don't think about

567
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:42,020
ghosts the way they did, but we
think about psychological

568
00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:49,280
complexes. So I'm a big fan of
letter writing to our ancestors

569
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:55,790
as a as a form of healing
process. And that's a big topic,

570
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:59,180
but I wanted to mention it if
you feel like there's someone in

571
00:45:59,180 --> 00:46:03,290
your lineage, that you're
carrying something of theirs,

572
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,210
you can write them a letter and
give that over and do some kind

573
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:11,360
of a healing ceremony because of
course, in Chinese culture,

574
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,580
that's a very big piece of the
healing process. And last but

575
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:20,960
not least, I want to talk about
our favourite healing point and

576
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,090
it's in Kigo, the Palace of
Weariness. This is everybody's

577
00:46:26,090 --> 00:46:31,970
friend, right at the centre of
your palm, loose fist, where

578
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:37,070
your middle finger falls, this
is your heart protector point.

579
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:42,500
And you can touch it with rose
oil or rescue remedy. And it

580
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:47,360
will have an immediate effect of
calming our little red birds so

581
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,880
they can come back into the
heart space.

582
00:46:52,030 --> 00:46:56,260
Beautiful, beautiful. So much
for that this is one of my

583
00:46:56,260 --> 00:47:00,220
favourite points of the body.
Thank you so much for sharing

584
00:47:00,220 --> 00:47:05,590
that. It is now time for us to
open up the floor to our

585
00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:09,250
wonderful participants and to
hear some of their questions. So

586
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:14,740
I'm going to try my very best to
answer them all we've, we've

587
00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:18,400
currently got five questions in
we will, we will answer them as

588
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,740
we go along. So let us start
with an anonymous attendee has

589
00:47:23,740 --> 00:47:28,450
asked this question. For you,
Gail. Are there restorative Yoga

590
00:47:28,450 --> 00:47:33,070
practices beyond the physical
poses that can be effective for

591
00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:37,090
treating race based traumatic
stress, and wondering if there

592
00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:41,050
are techniques that can be
borrowed for other modalities if

593
00:47:41,050 --> 00:47:42,730
props aren't available?

594
00:47:44,430 --> 00:47:47,640
Well yes, I have become an
expert, by the way in teaching

595
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,070
resource viewable without
prompts you to me, you don't

596
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:55,410
have to have them. But
meditation is a very calming

597
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,000
healing practice. It takes again
about 20 minutes for the mind to

598
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,550
come to stillness. When the mind
comes to rest. The when the mind

599
00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:10,320
comes to stillness, the body is
at rest, and stress releases

600
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:15,510
when that occurs, and sometimes
there's more mind chatter. So

601
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:18,720
people will say, Well, I'm not
I'm really not meditating. But

602
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,480
it's not true, it is stress
releasing, and it can come

603
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,510
through in the form of mind
chatter, it can come through in

604
00:48:24,510 --> 00:48:28,890
the form of an unexpected
emotion, you might burst into

605
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:32,160
laughter. You might I call it
the spirit of Bali, that

606
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,670
revisiting visiting us, you
know, you might become angry,

607
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:39,600
you might burst into tears. But
that but it's important to

608
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,770
recognise that what's happening
is stress is releasing. And the

609
00:48:43,770 --> 00:48:47,970
practice is whether you're doing
a restorative yoga practice or a

610
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:54,000
meditation practice, or any
other mode healing modality, the

611
00:48:54,030 --> 00:48:59,850
the practice is to be able to
remain in the experience while

612
00:48:59,850 --> 00:49:03,600
the release is occurring. In
other words, instead of becoming

613
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:09,930
reactive and jumping out of it,
you learn to stay in it and then

614
00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:13,530
the stress releases and guess
what, once that happens, it

615
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:17,340
doesn't come back. It really
doesn't. It may come back in a

616
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:21,840
lesser form at another time, but
whatever you're releasing in

617
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,010
that way, when the nervous
system lets go or when the heart

618
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:35,340
opens to receive you know, it
doesn't it that's the healing

619
00:49:35,370 --> 00:49:39,600
that's what happens. So yes, so
there you know, there are a lot

620
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,680
of ways restorative Yoga is one
way that is just one way and it

621
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,850
happens to be my go to but
again, meditation is another

622
00:49:47,850 --> 00:49:50,970
way. I'm sure acupuncture is
another way I don't want to

623
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:54,510
speak out of school here because
I'm not an acupuncturist, nor

624
00:49:54,510 --> 00:49:57,960
have I ever experienced
acupuncture but you know, I mean

625
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:04,080
there there are a lot of ways to
release stress, and it's not yet

626
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:10,650
let me say these people are not
coming to me, usually to say And

627
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:14,430
now I'd like to get rid of race
based stress and trauma. That is

628
00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:18,090
not typically what that is not
usually what motivates people to

629
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:25,200
come. But what happens as you
become more as healing occurs,

630
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:30,930
then these awarenesses of trauma
that you may not have even

631
00:50:30,930 --> 00:50:35,520
remembered, begin to surface.
And now you can, you can

632
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,160
continue the healing process you
can do through journaling.

633
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:41,610
therapeutic journaling is a very
powerful tool. So

634
00:50:43,310 --> 00:50:46,220
thank you. Thank you so much.
Now, I'm aware that we've got

635
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:49,490
currently five unanswered
questions. And we've got 10

636
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:54,830
minutes left before the end of
today's webinar, rather. So

637
00:50:54,830 --> 00:50:58,880
please just be mindful of that.
Now, we've got a question here

638
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,860
from Christina Olson-Howley, to
both of you. And thanks to Dr.

639
00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:07,880
Parker and Lorie to share for
your knowledge and wisdom. What

640
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:12,050
tips can you give to people who
are triggered in the moment to

641
00:51:12,050 --> 00:51:18,140
reset and recenter to stay
within body. And in the moment,

642
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:21,920
I find that as a woman of
colour, there are moments of

643
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,930
micro aggression that trigger me
and shifts my energy. And it

644
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:31,160
takes me a moment to reset. I'd
love your suggestions. So let's

645
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,830
hear from you first, Lorie, and
then we'll come to you Gail.

646
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,799
Well, actually, I'd love to hear
from Gail on this one first, and

647
00:51:37,799 --> 00:51:39,209
then I'll chime in.

648
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:44,670
Yeah. Well, if if let's if we
stick within the Yoga paradigm,

649
00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:48,810
but we don't have to yoga is a
breath practice. It doesn't

650
00:51:48,810 --> 00:51:52,110
matter what form of Yoga you're
practising. And so you always

651
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:58,170
come to the breath. Always.
It's, it's when you feel

652
00:51:58,170 --> 00:52:04,770
yourself being triggered. If you
can catch it before you explode.

653
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:10,050
And even after you've exploded,
if you've done that, you come to

654
00:52:10,050 --> 00:52:14,670
your breath. And that's that's
that's the way that really is

655
00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:17,310
the way you RSVP.

656
00:52:17,780 --> 00:52:23,390
Yeah, exactly. No, I'm totally
with you on that Gail you know,

657
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that is why having some kind of
inner cultivation practice,

658
00:52:28,820 --> 00:52:33,110
whether it's Yoga or whether
it's some kind of sitting

659
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:36,920
practice that you do, and it
doesn't have to be, you know,

660
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,340
long hours on a cushion.
Honestly, it can be five or 10

661
00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:44,570
minutes a day of watching your
breath, then it's in you

662
00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:50,000
already. And it's like a muscle
so the trigger happens. You go

663
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,410
to the breath, I totally agree
with that. And to that I would

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00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,330
add one of my go-tos is Bach
flower remedy rescue remedy

665
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,960
bought Bach flower essences.
It's a little I actually have

666
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,240
one right here. And I don't have
stock in the company. But it's a

667
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:12,170
great product that you can get
in most health food stores. It's

668
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:17,990
International. It's in England,
it's an all over and it's made

669
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:21,860
from flowers that will calm you
down, they bring the little

670
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:25,730
birds of the Shen back to the
heart. You can take it on your

671
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:29,300
tongue or drop it on that point
that I mentioned palace of

672
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:33,950
weariness. And there are other
points in key go to that if

673
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:38,300
you're interested in specific
points, but something physical,

674
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:42,560
something with the breath. And
then these flower allies are

675
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,260
really another helpful hint.

676
00:53:46,820 --> 00:53:50,300
Thank you so much. We've got
three more questions and six

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00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:54,980
minutes to press my positive
wariness together. I think it

678
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:59,210
all the excitement. So let's go
to a question from Dureena

679
00:53:59,210 --> 00:54:04,400
Patten. Hi, Lorie, do you
believe birth trauma can affect

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00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:07,820
the soul in this way affecting
attachment?

681
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:16,730
Wow in two minutes or one minute
or less? That is a huge

682
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:23,420
question. Yes, I believe that
birth trauma affects the soul.

683
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:33,680
Yes, it can affect attachment.
And yes, it can be healed. It's

684
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,330
such a big question. I would
need to know when it happened,

685
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:44,150
how old the person is. But I
would definitely say finding a

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00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:49,250
really good acupuncturist who
works on the soul and spirit

687
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:56,270
level would be a good place to
start and we do have a listing

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00:54:56,270 --> 00:55:03,980
of practitioners on our website.
A new possibility.com. So that's

689
00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:09,170
a place that and also, you can
send a query there. So it's just

690
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:12,890
a very big question, but I do
believe it, and I do believe

691
00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:14,330
that you can work with it.

692
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,150
Thank you. Thank you, Lorie.
Now, we have a question here

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00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:25,550
from Caroline Earch. There's a
small amount of evidence around

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00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:30,080
trauma, changing cells, and
therefore being passed down

695
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,920
through generations. Do you have
an experience of this with your

696
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,290
clients? Who would like to who
feels like to answer this,

697
00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:43,920
I would jump in. And then I'd
love to hear it get what you

698
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,960
would say. But I don't, I don't
believe it's changing cells,

699
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,020
it's actually an epigenetic
change on the on the gene code,

700
00:55:55,410 --> 00:56:00,600
it doesn't change the gene code.
It's like, trauma leaves these,

701
00:56:00,630 --> 00:56:05,160
what I think of as little sticky
notes, they're little tags that

702
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:10,050
get placed on the genes that
shut down or turn on certain

703
00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:15,210
kinds of genetic memory. So it
does get passed down. And you

704
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:18,150
can think of it like our
ancestors leave us these sticky

705
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:24,030
notes. And that's part of the
work of healing trauma is

706
00:56:24,030 --> 00:56:27,960
actually reading what's on the
sticky note, and then taking the

707
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,110
sticky note away, if you want to
think of it that way. And

708
00:56:31,110 --> 00:56:36,060
that's, again, the Chinese knew
this, they knew the trauma was

709
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:39,780
passed through generations, and
they would work with it

710
00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:45,330
ritually. And now, neuroscience,
and modern science is actually

711
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,470
able to identify the changes
that are happening there.

712
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:55,390
And what the Yogis say is that
when we do our own healing,

713
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:59,290
we're healing the seven
generations behind us, and the

714
00:56:59,290 --> 00:57:04,900
seven generations before ahead
of us. And so that's why it's so

715
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:08,350
important for each of us to do
our own individual healing work.

716
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:10,330
And we do it in community also.

717
00:57:13,139 --> 00:57:18,719
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
Our final question, I'm

718
00:57:18,749 --> 00:57:22,619
interested in hearing more about
creating boundaries in the

719
00:57:22,619 --> 00:57:27,059
treatment room, specifically
with regards to trauma in a

720
00:57:27,059 --> 00:57:31,169
loving and kind way. And we've
got, we've got a bit of so for

721
00:57:31,169 --> 00:57:36,509
this. So let's, let's start with
you, Gail.

722
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,100
So how do we create boundaries
within the treating treatment

723
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:43,440
room? Yes,

724
00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:49,080
creating boundaries in a loving
and kind way? How do we create

725
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,580
and maintain boundaries?

726
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:59,760
Well, again, I think that we
have to, we have to start, I

727
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:05,250
always start with self, you
know, am I compassionate? And

728
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:11,730
kind and clear within myself? Do
I honour my own boundary? When I

729
00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:15,690
hear my voice when I feel no
inside my body? Do I honour it?

730
00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:22,590
Or do I overrule it? Do I? So I
think again, I just think it has

731
00:58:22,590 --> 00:58:27,330
to start with self with me
knowing that I'm me, and I'm not

732
00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:33,150
you. That's, I mean, that's
where it starts. Really? I'm me.

733
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:40,500
I'm not you. And then we evolve
from well, where empathy comes

734
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:44,940
in then is, well, I'm somewhat
like you and where the spirit

735
00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:48,930
comes in is, I'm nothing but
you, but we don't start we don't

736
00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:56,010
start there. So the boundary is
I am me. You are you. We are two

737
00:58:56,010 --> 00:59:04,020
souls meeting and connecting and
sharing to understand one

738
00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:09,960
another. So I think that I don't
know if that's helpful to you. I

739
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,650
just think it's knowing your
own. You have to know you. First

740
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:24,030
you have to know what you are
willing to. What is put up with?

741
00:59:26,550 --> 00:59:27,030
Yeah.

742
00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:34,470
Do you have any. Lorie, do you
have any final words to close

743
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:35,880
today's programme?

744
00:59:36,450 --> 00:59:40,860
Well, I do want to just add to
what Gail just said, I love the

745
00:59:40,860 --> 00:59:44,070
breakdown. And I do want to say
that if that question is coming

746
00:59:44,070 --> 00:59:48,870
from a practitioner, I have an
extensive course on exactly that

747
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:55,890
topic. A spirit a heart based
approach to boundaries in the

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00:59:55,890 --> 01:00:02,580
treatment room. So it's on it is
at our side. possibility.com and

749
01:00:02,610 --> 01:00:06,930
it's, you know, kind of the
product of many, many years of

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01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:12,600
work in that in that arena. So I
wanted to just add that piece.

751
01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:23,040
I'm gonna teach so much. I would
like to end today's programme,

752
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,150
but before we do, I would like
to remind everybody that coming

753
01:00:27,150 --> 01:00:31,170
up on the ninth, the 18th of
November, that's the 18th of

754
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,940
November, we have got a
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755
01:00:36,270 --> 01:00:39,990
We've currently have an early
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756
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:43,440
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757
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,880
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758
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,770
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01:00:52,770 --> 01:00:57,360
being led by Brian Gross and
Petra Cavalli, Shelly Prasco,

760
01:00:57,540 --> 01:01:03,030
and Annika Sips. Just a couple
more bits before we get and

761
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:08,370
today's session is going to be
emailed to video form, so you

762
01:01:08,370 --> 01:01:12,960
can enjoy it. And we're also
please do you register for that

763
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,500
digital goodie bag? Because it's
brimming. The goodie bag is

764
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:20,790
brimming with very, very good
things. I'll now. Now I'd like

765
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:25,470
to end by saying a very big
thank you to our two wonderful

766
01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:29,550
guests, Lorie Dechar and Dr.
Gail Parker, thank you so much

767
01:01:29,550 --> 01:01:34,260
for sharing your wisdom with us.
So very generously. Thank you.

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01:01:34,890 --> 01:01:38,340
I'd also like to say a very big
thank you to our marvellous

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01:01:38,340 --> 01:01:42,180
marvellous participants
thanking, engaging for joining

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01:01:42,180 --> 01:01:46,950
with us today. And I'd also like
to say at this point, a very big

771
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:50,940
thank you to Suzanne, she's the
lady lurking behind the Singing

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01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:55,230
Dragon logo and she's been
absolutely fabulous in helping

773
01:01:55,260 --> 01:01:59,610
to pull this event together. And
a final big thank you to Singing

774
01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:04,290
Dragon for hosting this event.
It's been an absolute pleasure,

775
01:02:04,530 --> 01:02:10,560
sending you lots of love,
sending out to you and goodbye.

776
01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:12,420
And thank you so much for coming

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01:02:14,670 --> 01:02:15,810
Thanks, everyone.